Haven't really felt like updating lately... but I figured to calm the tension I should probably post something new...
First up, congrats to DJ Low Key for being the DJ for group Tanya Morgan. He's going on tour with the duo alongside the Hieroglyphics crew starting this weekend in L.A. The show hits Denver on August 15.
Make sure you check out the block party this weekend over in the hood, here's the flyer:
I also got an email from the Denver Film Society about their Wednesday Hip-Hop Series during the month of July at the Tivoli. Here's the flyer:
Some Mile High City cats have been participating in the 100K Battle Hosted by Sway & Tech. Vote for what you like:
Isolated Mind
Authentic
Here's some music...
"A Milli Remix" - The Pirate Signal (I'll take Yonnas over Lil Wayne any day....)
"The Grail" - Roman Only
"This Sacred Art" - Union Station (feat. Spoke In Wordz, Role Play, DMD, The Juice, and Smokey G)
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A milli a milli a milli a mi a mi a mi a milli / Dude smashed tha track... Handz down like 6:30 ( quote from Freck Billionare ;) ).. Haha...
Tha Grail / not really my personal cup of tea but therez a whole movement of fanz dat would flock for dat song... Tight shit...
Sacred Art / Came out pretty phat / seemed real short though.. I guess str8 to tha point / haha... Coulda done w/o dat hook but overall good shit...
And tha Tivoli shit / I aint seen wildstyle for so long.. Haha / it used to be one of tha regular saturday lunchtime moviez on channel 2. Haha...
Anywayz...
IM OUT!
Peace!
J-C-L-A-S-S
I love it how people talk mad shit about your boy JoeT. But it's all good cuz i know who yall are.. Dont be hurt cuz I wont put u on a track maybe it's cuz u Suck 4 Real.... So go ahead and bite my style and do all the shit i 've already done... Next there gonna try to bit my smile, start wearing 5x white and black Tee's and shorts in the middle of winter... And ask Q how I get down u must not have hear the new shit Go 4 Broke is 180 degree turn from the Drama Kings.. And what about the Blacc and Deca project the Streets meet the underground.. Shall I go on Contact High 30+ mc's, Joint Chief of Staff I dought D.O and Dow jones are gangsta... So please continue to put out wac music so people can laugh at u cuz I am... By the way feel free to go to www.myspace.com/joethizzy to check my bio so you can get your Joethunder history lession kid, you might learn something, instead of taking up space....
Big up's to all the real people doing real things. New shit comming soon!!!!
Blacc & Deca
I Got whatU need Vol 2 & 3
P.S dont be mad cuz your shit is WAC!!!!!
Joe Thunder
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please tell me its not just me, but does the second verse on the sacred art sound like dudes takin a shit in the booth, like litterally takin a shit while hes spittin...no hate whoever you be not at all.thats just how it sounded....to me.
Yo this is role play.. yo thats funny i never really noticed, it does sound like im takin a shit... shittin on rappers ha ha na for real tho thanks for the feedback ill switch it up im always open to try new things
More like turned the beat to shit lol. And Joe t, humble yourself and tone down the shit talkin.
OH SHIT!! SWAMPTON IN THIS BITCH!!!!
I haven't been on here for a while and I can tell nothing has been missed! Y is it anytime someone trys to defend their side or point they need to humble themselves? So now jus bcuz u state facts and point out accomplishments u need to b humble? Dog keep it real Joe fucks wit everybody that fucks wit him...its not the same circle if u research u will find out every cd dropped is different...I've only done one album wit Joe, n gotten a lil pub yet he only messes n the same circle? If u know Joe n his albums u would know that was false n prob jus an upset rapper who hasent recieved the handout to network....keep it pushin!! Weather u like Blunt Sessions or not they still had over 5,000 downloads for it so somebody liked it...a lot of us don't like lil Wayne but check his sales...its obvious that the small percentage of us damn sure didn't hurt his pocket!!
All these people talking that humble crap r the same ones mad bcuz he didnt fuck wit u! Be humble bcuz u accomplish stuff! Done get too big headed we wouldve want people to think u actually do what u say!!
Pirate signal kills it all of the time Yonnas one of my favorites hands down! Even though everyone in their mama used the beat...makes me feel like I gotta use it to not feel left out!! LOL
Roman not my type of hype but keep grinding!!
FOE
King Of The Mountain
I AM THE BOX!!!
PS...SHIT I WISH JOE T DID JUS FUCK WIT ME...HELL I WISH A BUNCH OF PEOPLE OUT HERE N THIS MUSIC CARNIVAL JUS FUCKED WIT ME!!! IT WOULD GET RID OF A LOT OF BULLSHIT MUSIC!!! LMAO
AND THAT IS BEING HUMBLE!!!
I beg to differ, the sacred art is a continuous flurry of clever lyrics. Sounds like taking a shit huh? its called new types of music. Sorry it didnt sound like infamous lil wayne where everything sounds like his balls are in a blender. The Sacred Art has a smooth sound. The hell you talkin about.
"All these people talking that humble crap r the same ones mad bcuz he didnt fuck wit u! Be humble bcuz u accomplish stuff! Done get too big headed we wouldve want people to think u actually do what u say!!"
CO MUTHA FUCKIN SIGN
I think what the anonymous comment meant by Joe T humbling himself is the way a grown ass man like that comes across with his words. I know when I hear hip hop heads speak or rappers speak, I look for class and maturity, not children. Joe T's message came across pretty cocky and arrogant. He could have said things different. That would irritate a lot of people just reading it. Instead of messages like "Im sorry you feel that way, but Im sure if you look at the work Ive done, you'd see its not true", he comes across with "YOUR MAD CUZ I HAVENT PUT YOU ON A TRACK, IM THE SHIT, GO AHEAD AND BITE MY STYLE! HAHA". When I read that shit I think wow who is this one person to think they can talk to other people in that form.
So that being said, thats what I think anonymous meant. Cuz when I read the response I get the same reaction. So I cosign when he said Joe T, humble yourself.
I tried to put this in the most non hating way I could so dont get pissed everyone. Nobody in CO Hip Hop is on any kind of level to talk down to other people in the SAME struggle as you are...
Aaron
Cosign Aaron
Why does it seem like every beat Spoke is on sucks?? Second rapper on the song sonds like Krayzie Bone. Roman Only, not a bad topic, but the beat was horrible. Yonnas is yonnas, enough said.
Im sure all these rappers are losing sleep because JOE T hasnt hit them up lol. (that was sarcasm)
yea yea yea so were in my comment do I say I am the best????? Be a leader not a follower kid, instead of talking about all the shit your doing actually do something for a change. Take all the time and effort you send on this blog do something creative like draw a picture or just reflect how bad you really are . So tell me What have u DONE ???? For yourself or Colorado Hip Hop.. Not Shit. I let my work spreak for it self... How many cd's have u put out??? I am close to a dub w/ half of them albums... Instead of hating on everyone try building with people you will get alot farther.. But i guess its kinda hard when your not on other peoples level...
JoeT
People talk shit about successful people every day.
"It's not that I'm to big to listen to the rumors, it's that I'm too big to pay attention to them". Dr. Dre
What is everyone going to do when they get a bad review in a magazine. I remember when Xzibit dropped his second album... The Source gave Shaq's album more mics...he didn't through a fit and start acting disrespectful.
Fuck being humble!! So now u gotta be humble that u accomplish shit and talk about urself? U Colorado cats krack me up...be humble don't boast on accomplishments u may have people upset they can't accomplish the same! Whoever said that hip hop was classy? Fuck classy!! Hip hop has always had an element of boasting and bragging on things u have or have done...n I don't recall people being humbled when they r doin it! So what some people address topics and shit diff some may say "I've put out 20 CDs and am blessed I've been able to do it" & some are like "Fuck yea I put out 20 CDs & am putting out 100 more u better get on or get left!" If u know Joe u know what type of a good dude he is...if he hasn't fucked wit u who's to blame? Get at him!! He has messed wit over 100 producers and artists:..U mean to tell me Joe u haven't messed wit all 10 million rappers n CO? My 2yr old jus started rapping wants to know y u aint got him on yet!! LMAO
Rappers don't lose sleep about joe not messin wit em...what they do is blast the blog wit anonymous hate comments and tell him to humble himself!! Shut the HELL UP!!! And I mean that in all humbleness...HUMBLY SHUT THE HELL UP PLEASE
FOE
King Of The Mountain
I AM THE BOX!!!!
Oh yea I've been meaning to give congrats to the winners of the westword! It was fun this year I look forward to next year...I got heat for yall!! It was an honor being nominated and performing. Oh shit was I jus being humble?? LMAO I meant to say I SHOULDA WON!!!! HAHAHAHA
Hate comments FOE?? i would expect a rapper your age to know the damn difference between critique and hate. So now when its something that you dont wanna hear, its AUTOMATICALLY hate?? Bullshit. So your conclusion is since hip hop has always filled with cocky arrogant fuckers, thats the way everyone should act? Or Im sorry, I mean you think it glorifies that behavior?? NO. I'll take a humble emcees comments, and when I read the other kindfull of arrogance, I pretty much disregard anything that person has to say. You and Joe are a LOT older than most of the Hip Hop kats out here doin it, yet you act a lot more like your shit dont stink. being a veteran doesnt make you better than anyone.
I didnt say anything to diminish your existence or insult you in any way so I dont want the hate comments on this. All Im doin is simply commenting on your reactions and behavior.
IM OUT
800 The Jewell say's,
First off, I am very cocky and very aragant so, please do not get on my dbad side.
I'm going to start on this so called Co-sign'n... If you don't know me, ya haven't been in the game long enough to speak. My name is 800 The Jewell and I've been producing and rhyming since 92' here in Colorado. Most of you, I have never heard of but, yet, to increase your insatiable desire to be known, you'll attempt to blast those who are getting recognition and then have the nerve to be feminine enough to hide behind your comment anonymously. Joe Thunder is part of Jewell Tyme Music, which is a family and just like one of your's own, Hell yeah, I'll step up for his defense.
It is amazing to me how there is no original thought behind most of the music I hear in the town. Music is music but, just in case you have not realised, "We are in the West"!!! A place that has been notorious for pioneers of all ages. STOP SAMPLING!!! All you are doing is jack'n other artist original work and putting a drum loop with it, then calling it your's? Please!!! 2nd, instead of firing (verbal) shot's into the dark, not knowing who's on the other side, open your mind and respect that you are nobody in the music game except to your peer's. How can you put someone on blast when all the the true pioneers are right here reading this post, very assanign "Patna"... 3rd, I do believe that cocky and arogant are part of the business. Here's an example: Would I be qwrong for saying, "There are only 6 or so producers out here that are very real in my book and only a hand full of artist."
Plain and simple, "Get it together young brothaz..." I know people who live, eat, sleep, and shit Rap/Hip Hop. The same people who have turned it into a lifestyle and will kick your ass behind it!!!
You know the name: 800 The Jewell
I'm not hard to find at all. My name as a musician is worldwide so google me and except reality.
I love Colorado Music in a whole!!! I even support you cat's that make me wish I would have put my five dollars in the gas tank, instead of your album and it's called respect.
Oh, by the way... How many of you are serious? I question everyone due to the fact that I tend to find only half of so called artist do not know what they are doing.
Do any of these terms mean anything to you? If not, RETIRE!!! This is not a game...
*Publishing (Cost me close to $700)
*SR and PA contracts (did ya' know that everytime you perform, you are also credited, if your'registered?)
*Publicist
* A&R, P&D, M&D Contracts (Ya' probably don't even know what the initials stand for...)
*Mechanical Royalties
*Performance Royalties
*Publishing Royalties
*Entertainment Lawyer (this is why I'm Cocky!!! I've got legal representation. Sample me if ya' want, the legal system will tear your head off for me or anything that has a JTM insignia on it)
*Promotional Royalties
* 1 Sheet
* EPK (pretty sure most of you have no clue, as well)
If ya' wanna play with the Big Fish, Make sure you can swim...
Blessings to all but, I find no humor in what pay's my bill,
800 The Jewell
CEO/Publisher(BMI)/Producer/Writer
Jewell Tyme Music - Voted Denvers
Best Hip Hop Label for a reason.
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P.S., Ya want your music done right, We do offer 5 - 32 digital recording studio's at a respectable rate. Hit me up for Pricing...
JEWELL TYME!!!!!
Foe you're cracking me the fuck up. You fellas should make your way back down to Basementalism again one of these weekends with some radio edits, it's been a minute.
And since when do rappers and DJs need to be humble? Who made that rule? None of my favorite rappers are particularly humble, think about who your top 5 favorite rappers of all time are, are any of them real humble?? You ever see a real humble MC win a battle? When did this become a requirement? I understand if it's in like one-on-one situations it's a good idea for people to be personable and accessible in the interest of networking but this whole humble thing is confusing me
And 8 I agree with most of your post except the stop sampling thing. Seeing as how you're a decorated producer who composes his own material I understand where you're coming from but speaking as a fan and commentator/broadcaster of hip hop I will never get tired of listening to a producer flip a dope sample. Also the list of big name producers who don't sample and consistently put out hits is like Timbaland and .......Timbaland?
Dudes like Pete Rock and Dilla can (and could) take a sample and just completely transform it into something wholly independent from the sampled song, and while I do agree with your claim that producers should be constantly striving for originality the beat game in Colorado right now is really strong and incredibly slept on. The amount of talented producers in this state is silly to me right now.
I'll peep the tracks a little later and drop some thoughts, looking forward to hearing another Roman joint.
-Judge
STOP SAMPLING? I think your whole post was discredited from that statement 800. Thats pretty much a blatent shot at the pioneer producers like Dilla, Pete Rock, Premier, etc. Sampling is one of the biggest parts of hip hop. You may consider it biting, but samplin is a lot harder than playin your own melodies ANYDAY. Anyone can learn to put melodies together, but not everyone can truly flip a dope sample. The dopest producers in CO in MY opinion are all sample producers... Inkline, Es Nine, Flawless, Yonnas, Sol Powa, & SpDouble, (and not in that particular order) So really think about those words. Cuz you pretty much called them all phonies, and you've prolly worked with a lot of em. Im not sure if the other ones have or not, but look at the kats like Sol & Flawless, they sample and play their own stuff, so I think IF anything, thats what producers should do.
And yall seriously need to stop all this "ARROGANCE AND COCKINESS IS APART OF HIP HOP" bullshit. I guarantee Judge and maybe some ohers that you truly dont believe that. Granted, you MAY need to have that mentality when steppin into a battle, or writing a raw track in order to be successful, but thats it. I will always remember the favorite artists of mine that I met, that were complete assholes and thought they were the shit right in front of me. Its ok to be that way in the eyes of the public? or towards your fans?? I dont think so. So I dont cosign none of that. I do cosign Judge on samplin though. Im out yall.
Aaron
Triple cosign JUST for you 800.
Cosign Judge about samplin as well.
you know whats funny. I actually thought 800 was one of the most humble and respectful artists in CO, until he posted that shit.
Cuz dont forget everyone. Theres a THIN line between arrogance and disrespect.
Aaron are u serious? Sampling is harder than comn up wit ur own shit? U can't be serious? This comes from a guy who more than likely can't play an n instrument to save his life! Granted sampling is a part of hip hop BUT is not nessassary to make a fire beat! All of the producers are coo but not even close to the best n CO!! Maybe the best when considering a certain type of music genre but not everyone listens to that underground backpack (c)rap! Ask the producers uve named what they feel about 800 n I bet u all will say he brings heat everytime. Hav u listened to a sol p album? If u hav u would notice 800 in the credits! When u sample u are forced to worry about getting shit cleared and making sure the artist u are sampling is compensated...when u know how to play that is the least of ur worries!!
Homie granted we want all of our musical icons we admire to b coo and gracious an shake our hands n smoke wit us n invite us backstage n to their house to chill...but n reality it'll prob never happen!! U mad?
A slap in the face to pioneer producers? I bet u if asked they would tell u they prefer to play...that is if they could...we come from the same era where puffy sampled everything and all people did was talk shit about him not being able to come up wit his own originality...now ur saying producers should sample? Were u one of those talkin bout puffy? Bet u were...bcuz he prob isnt ur type of music u like...or is it jus a certain type of sampling thats excepted? Thats weak!!
If u this arrogance and cockyness is not a part of hip hop stop listening...even the local cats u ned are cocky...SP one of the cockiest suckas out here, Flawless not too humble prob bcuz he hung wit SP for a couple months, Sol P don't even really fuck wit u local cats, inkline cocky, Yonnas a cocky mutha fucka hav u ever talked to him?? So b4 u start name droppin u should prob know more about em!!
U sound like a bitch boy to me who got his feelings hurt by his favorite artist and is still holding a grudge! Now u expect every MC to be humble so u'll buy their album? I promise ur lack of purchase didnt bother him none...in fact I bet u downloaded the bootleg huh? LOL
U Internet cats r funny! Same people talking shit b the same ones shaking hands and bowing down when u meet em in the streets! But it is what it is...do u!
Well...was finna leave this alone but I have to say that I disagree with 800 comment on sampling.
ALso disagree with the statement that sample flipping is harder than playing. Which is an argument I heard before.
Sampling is the base of Hip Hop. The Break folks..the break is the foundation. A certain Hip Hop Blog journalist tried to make a point to me about bands being "hip hop" because even Sugar Hill Gang had a band. But the reason they had a band was because they couldn't clear the sample of the break, so it was replayed live.
Thing is, real producers that sample don't just take a loop and leave it at that. Dre samples. Kanye samples....all these people do, and while some loops are left in tact, a really talented producer such as Pete Rock, Dilla (whom play instruments as well) would chop the fuck out of a sample.
Essentially the key would be to take a SOUND-as in whatever it is the instrument produces-and create their own melodies and harmonies. If you are sampling and can't even fucking get a loop right or even tune it, then you are not good which discredits a few of CoHipHopblogs favs.
I think this argument can go on for days and days...it always does. So do u...u don't wanna sample then don't, but don't discred anyone for doing it either, as just because they sample doesn't make them any less musically inclined.
Speaking of which...I don't know that I would say that inkline is cocky...Yonnas hell yeah, but InkLine not so much. I handle that part! LMAO!
Oh yeah......I had an unfinshed thought there....
The reason you sound is to gain the natural sound of instruments. That analog live sound.
Problem with key boards is that they are....well digital. ANd they never have true sound. SOme come close, but it is usually easy to tell when it is that digital.
And no..I aint knocking keyboard producers....InkLine used to use a Motif and we had a few motif beats on our first album...just and FYI.
Just wanted to come in and correct my man Mane Rok on something because I'm the hip-hop journalist he referring to (you can say my name dude, I ain't got nothing to hide... haha)...
First off, sample clearance didn't become a true legal issue until the early 90's (1992 to be exact) when Biz Markie was sued by Gilbert O'Sullivan. After that point is when rappers/producers started to get permission and started paying the people they were sampling. So early hip-hop pioneers who used live bands did it because they wanted to, not because they couldn't get a sample cleared.
Secondly, the artists that did use live bands, Kurtis Blow comes to mind, came with original compositions, not replayed music. Songs like "The Breaks" "Christmas Rappin'" and "Basketball" were all original productions played by live musicians. Now if he ain't hip-hop, then nobody is. Actually, if you want to get down to the nitty gritty of it, no one is spittin' over straight breaks being looped live by a DJ with two records. That's the raw, foundation of it and NO ONE is doing that, so is no one hip-hop?
Thirdly, sampling is an art. There's a difference between the sampling done by Puffy and by Just Blaze. Puffy basically raps over the instrumental of someone elses song while Just Blaze completely flips, chops, and cuts a sample. Peep Jay Z's "Kingdom Come" track, where Blaze utterly rips Rick James' "Super Freak" as a classic example of superb hip-hop sampling.
Fourthly, who the hell still says "backpack rap"? That doesn't even exist anymore... that's soo... 1998. Maybe you should use terms like "indie" or "purist" or something to that effect.
That's it...
(Stop Sampling)
First of all, I never blasted anyone but, it's funny how one can put words in my mouth... Interesting????
I'll start by saying blessnz to all of you...
Anonymous, I will agree with you on one thing, I usually do not get in the middle of these conversations but, know who and what I am first before, you insult. First and foremost, I am a child of God, second, I am a grown man with my own opinion and perspective. My teachers didn't like me in school but, I still graduated? (Judge)Pete Rock and J Dilla, and a lot of the rest of the people you named do sample but what they do is build music from "One Shot Samples". Most Hip Hop Producers use MPC's and compose through a process called "One Shots". These are Guitar licks, Horns licks, Bass Stabbs, and things of that nature. They do not steal a 4-8 bar loop, throwing some drums to it and calling it a production. It don't work like that.
Dear Judge, Just to clear the air... Yes, I do know Sol P (13yrs), Yonnas (I met through Joe Thunder a few years back), and Flawless(about 2-3 yrs) and I do believe that these men are talented in what they do but I do not consider what they do as sample jack'n. Once again, "One Shot" Producing is totally different from Jacking the tail end of "Between The Sheet's", slapping some drums over it, and calling it a hit.
Are you familiar with a program called Reasons? Well if not, this is what I use. It is all based off of "One Shot" samples. I sold all of my hardware when I purchase Reasons. Some thought I sampled Tic Toc (F.O.E. and Karma) but, in reality, I played every insturment on there, hmmmmm? I never had one music lesson in my life, it's a gift that came from years of work from a kid that started off sampling and advanced.
I want to hip you all on something called, "The Home Recording Act". If you are not familiar, research it. It is a legal act that was made to protect artist compositions from simply being jacked because an m.c. wanted to rap over it. There are legal process that J Dilla, Premier, Sir Jinx (West Coast), Eric Sermon, and all of the rest of these people go throught before they use something as simple as a "Scream", please believe, they have filed for permission to use it. Hip Hop started long before the 90's ya'll with groups like The Sugar Hill Gang. Most of the music behind Hip Hop is from old R&B songs, Orchestra/Classical song's, Rock Riffs, Movie Samples, and so on. Hip Hip is the ultimate genre because one cannot just say, it is derivied from just one element, it is many.
Blessnz to all,
800 The Jewell
(Stop Sampling)
First of all, I never blasted anyone but, it's funny how one can put words in my mouth... Interesting????
I'll start by saying blessnz to all of you...
Anonymous, I will agree with you on one thing, I usually do not get in the middle of these conversations but, know who and what I am first before, you insult. First and foremost, I am a child of God, second, I am a grown man with my own opinion and perspective. My teachers didn't like me in school but, I still graduated? (Judge)Pete Rock and J Dilla, and a lot of the rest of the people you named do sample but, it is one thing to make something new out of what Hip Hop producers call "One Shots". These are Guitar licks, Horns licks, Bass Stabbs, and things of that nature vs, stealing a 4-8 bar loop, throwing some drums to it and calling it a production. It don't work like that.
Dear Judge, Just to clear the air... Yes, I do know Sol P (13yrs), Yonnas (I met through Joe Thunder a few years back), and Flawless(about 2-3 yrs) and I do believe that these men are talented in what they do but I do not consider what they do as sample jack'n. Once again, "One Shot" Producing is totally different from Jacking the tail end of "Between The Sheet's", slapping some drums over it, and calling it a hit.
Are you familiar with a program called Reasons? Well if not, this is what I use. It is all based off of "One Shot" samples. I sold all of my hardware when I purchase Reasons. Some thought I sampled Tic Toc (F.O.E. and Karma) but, in reality, I played every insturment on there, hmmmmm? I never had one music lesson in my life, it's a gift that came from years of work from a kid that started off sampling and advanced.
I want to hip you all on something called, "The Home Recording Act". If you are not familiar, research it. It is a legal act that was made to protect artist compositions from simply being jacked because an m.c. wanted to rap over it. There are legal process that J Dilla, Premier, Sir Jinx (West Coast), Eric Sermon, and all of the rest of these people go throught before they use something as simple as a "Scream", please believe, they have filed for permission to use it. Hip Hop started long before the 90's ya'll with groups like The Sugar Hill Gang. Most of the music behind Hip Hop is from old R&B songs, Orchestra/Classical song's, Rock Riffs, Movie Samples, and so on. Hip Hip is the ultimate genre because one cannot just say, it is derivied from just one element, it is many.
Blessnz to all,
800 The Jewell
First of all, Puffy does not produce genius. Classic case of using Ghost producers. (Like a lot of others in the game)
And Mane, what producers in CO on the list are discredited?? Gee why do I have a feeling its going to be everyone except your LIFE Crew buddies Inkline and Yonnas? I think the list was very fair. I would have prolly added Distrakt to it, but all those producers can flip samples dope and I have heard beats by every one of them.
I agree with the fact that flippin samples could be harder than playing. I dont produce do Im just going on the notion that it COULD be so I know where Aaron is comin from. You have to take something already done and make somethin completely different out of it?? That just SOUNDS hard lol. Seriously tho, you give anyone a keyboard for long enough, and they can learn to play SOMETHING. But you give someone a record player and an mpc, or comp program... theres no guarantee they can flip a sample half way decent...
Q...I used that point not to say something about you, but to illustrate how samples have been used....even in the context of live bands.
The Roots do the same thing. I've read countless interviews with ?love about how he builds beats on MP's and then has to get everyone to replay things live or make their on interpolation of the song.
That's all I was doing in regards to the songs...I wasn't even making mention of someone being or NOT being Hip Hop...so hold up there really quick. I was making a point on sample usage.
As far as rapping over the looped break....or the DJ hitting doubles on the break for folks to rap...well it don't even matter homie.
800...your point of "sample jack'n" and "slapping drums on the tail end of Between the Sheets" is the same point I was trying to make-just you used different terms homie. "one-shots" as you stated tho, are still samples, just a smaller portion used...such as is done by yonnas, InkLine, Deca, Ichi and the whole slew of others that make beats.
I just started producing. So what better source to go by then someone learning the game. I can make beats with my own melodies. But I just started exploring with sampling and I cannot do it to save my life. Im going by my own experience. Granted I will prolly learn eventually, but it is a lot tougher than playing. Now when I say playing, I dont mean live instruments. I mean someone who gets all their sounds off one device. Thats what I mean by playin. Cuz lets face it, there is close to NO producers using live instrumentation to make beats in the studio. Not because they cant, but because it is a very hard resource to setup. So now you know what I meant by sampling is harder.
Ive heard Sol's album and he flips samples dope, AND he has dope beats with his own melodies. Ive heard Flawless flip samples sick with it, and Ive seen him on this blog produce tracks for people with his own melodies that were equally dope cuz they were different. I havent heard SP play his own stuff, but he is one of the best at choppin samples in my opinion. So that list is pretty accurate. Yonnas and Inkline are beasts as well. 800 is different than all of them, I can respect that.
No, there MAN....that wasn't even my point.
That's why I discredited no one in particular nor gave extra credit. There are a shit ton...and I mean a shit ton of producers from our little box here that really think they are THE SHIT that are just not.
You can hear it when their drums and samples or whatever they use are out of tune. Yeah...you are supposed to tune drums. And the loops as well will be out of tune, because cats time stretch and don't go back and tune.
When the loop they took from a record doesn't even completely loop because it wasn't created in a 4/4 count, but a 6/8 or something rather. There is a bit of adjusting that needs to be made, and I have heard some of the most touted "producers" take a loop from a record as such, throw some drums on it and act like it's all good.
It aint....not from "my" stand point, but strictly from a musical stand point, because the timing is off.
So before you try to go in on me again, disecting what I say, really think about it for a min...K there buddy.
...and I know a few producers that have used live musicians...so to blanket that aint right either.
Just saying.
My point wasnt about what you said. Im sayin BE A MAN and say who you are talking about. "It discreditsa few of CoHipHopBlogs favs". But were so scared to say WHO that is. So I'll call you your fond phrase... Coward.
My bad Mane, you didn't mention anything about being "hip-hop", that just came out because of the context of the conversation we had about the live band thing... I still wanted to tell you that stuff though.. haha..
Yes, ?uestlove produces on MPCs and whatnot and replays it, but it's all original production. You were implying that pioneers used live bands because they couldn't get sample/break clearance, which wasn't the case at all. And besides Sugar Hill Gang, sampling wasn't done much way back then. It really didn't really start going down until the mid-80's with Run-DMC, Marley Marl and whatnot.
For the most part, everything before that was all original stuff, from Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five all the way to Whodini. All original, hardly any samples or replayed music.
And for the record, I love sampling, and DJ Shadow is one of the best to do it. I love original music and I believe Organized Noize (Outkast, Goodie Mob) is one of the best to do it.
The irony lies that this is coming from the "man" that continues to remain anonymous so he can talk shit...just leave it at that...
Point taken.
Maybe not the best words on it...but my point really was about the samples being played out by the live band.
Anyway...I am pretty sure Organized Noize uses samples from time to time as well...tho I could be wrong. In fact, I am willing to bet that the majority of Hip Hop-COMMERCIAL OR NOT-is actually sample based.
Coward.
LMAO
Sure guy...say it when you see me.
Whats up yall? Havent commented in awhile but Im back now...
I actually like the discussion goin on right now which is why I feel I have to touch on it. Let me just say this, I am also one of the people who thinks sampling is harder than coming up with your own melodies...
Now I play the saxophone, as well as the piano, so please do not try and discredit me. I work solely on Reason to produce. I use to dabble in FL Studio but found Reason to be much more Universal...
I took Saxophone lessons as a child all up to high school. I am a self taught Piano player and I love creating my own stuff. Who wouldnt? But I gotta tell you, flippin samples is the hardest instrument to play. And yes it is considered an instrument. Except you dont get one raw sound, you have multiple sounds goin on and you have to make your own and do what you must with it. That is no easy task.
I have heard ALL the producers on the list and they are all well established, and well credited producers in my opinion. (Sorry Mane) And I agree with adding Distrakt to the list, and of course 800 to the list as well. Im glad you guys (800 & Mane) clarified what you mean by sampling with the one shots and long loops. I think it was easy for 800 to blame all that on sampling period, but I think it has changed now.
One thing you all are forgetting is sample re-creation. Dre is notorious for that. So when that is done, do you see that as thieving? Im sure it takes some real skill. I've tried it a couple times and some turn out good and some turn out bad. Thoughts?
My point is this. Sampling is Hip Hop, Live instruments are hip Hop. And Im glad they all are otherwise we would have producers all sounding the same...
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Catch Lungs - "Food for the Famished" DROPPIN SOON
Purpose - "Point Blank" DROPPIN SOON
Im out yall...
Flawless
~OP~
PS. Lets never mention Puff Daddy in a producing conversation ever agin lol.
800- I think you responded to something somebody else said but directed it at me. I don't post anonymously on here so if you don't see my name next to it, I didn't say it.
I'm familiar with one shots, I don't make beats myself but I know lots and lots of people that do, I'm not gonna sit here and pretend like I know how hard it is to do what y'all do, I have an idea, but it's all second hand and I know that.
That being said nobody in here is comparing Easy Mo Bee and P Diddy. I don't see a lot of CO heads just throwing drum beats over 8 bar breaks these days, or maybe I have and just tuned'em out. Anyway, none of the CO producers I enjoy do that, and there are a lot of them.
By the way this shit is so much better when the discussion is about hip hop and not "you're hating!" "No, YOU'RE HATING!" "You're a poo-head!" bullshit. In my humble opinion.
Also I just got the new Nas album in my email this morning, it's pretty goddamn incredible. Holla at me if you want a copy, and yes I do plan on purchasing it, it's that good.
-Judge
Judge,
Man,
You have an anger issue. I never directly attacked anyone but, cleared the air. Here you go ramblin... Where is the hating in clearing the air. In my humble opinion I can honestly say that you know nothing about me and as I said, "A man is entitled to his own opinion...(poo-head)" Hating? Seriously, I'll ask the board, "Does anybody else think that I am hating by attempting to educate?" I even took the time to further define my first post?
Come on bruh, Sounds to me like you are fishing for a response from me but, "Sorry, I've been there and done that..."
Man, the truth is "Music" may have saved my life. Those who know me know who I am, where I come from, and how powerful my voice is in the Urban Community.
I'd love to meet you in person Judge, not on any kind of gangbang shit but, to sit down and hear one anothers opinion and give you a chance to me the man, not the entity known as 800 The Jewell... Maybe we can get some of the people here on the board to attend as well, I do believe we are grown men.
I'd rather do this, than attack you personally because I know nothing about you or the column you write for but, I do know that I am a man first and the father of six, so composure to ignorance like your last post is easy to keep.
Ya' don't know me homie but, I'd love to give you a chance too. My question is, "Are you man enough to except the invite?"
The man behind the music-
800 The Jewell
PS,
Oh yeah, instead of breezing through my post, ya should have read it man.
Yo 800, I honestly dont think Judge directed his whole last comment towards you. I was kinda surprised to see your message towards him so I went back and read it again and I see why you did. But I honestly think it's a misunderstanding. I think he only meant that first paragraph towards you...
Flawless
~OP~
Haha whoa there
I wasn't talking about you at all, I actually agreed with just about everything you posted except the sampling thing. I was mostly referring to the post before this one where everyone was flinging insults about Dent, I honestly have no beef with anything you said on here and apologize if it came off that way.
What I meant was that when a discussion about hip hop, like the one we're having right now, takes place, this blog is much easier to read and a lot more fun to take part in the discussion. Discussions like this one that we're having right now, I'm enjoying this, I don't think anything you've said has brought down the level of discourse at all, I actually think it's heightened it.
Also, I don't go around saying things just to get reactions out of people, aside from trying to make people laugh I guess. I do the radio show Basementalism in Boulder, I don't write a column but I've written music reviews for the Colorado Daily in years past. I would love to have you and some of the other guys from JTM come down to the basement one of these weekends, although if that does happen I hope we have a better time of understanding each other than we've had here on this blog comment space.
Again, no dis intended. I'm a big fan of yours. Although you're correct in your assessment of my anger issues, even if it came from a misunderstanding. I have a short fuse, but I'm working on it.
Peace
-Judge
(Judge)
Out of all do respect, I did take it to heart. I am just as you my friend, a man. I can as well say that I had you twisted up on that last post. Thanks Flawless for bringing it to my attention. I even got a call from F.O.E. (lol!!!) I "do" believe in a unified circle here in Colorado. That includes everyone from the artist you see all the time, to the ones who are just breaking the ground. This is home for us all...
Judge, you and the rest of these gentlemen have my respect and attention all the time. Q, put together something special with this board that none of us had before, which is... a way to keep in touch with one another.
I'd still like to sit down and chop it up though and that goes for the rest of you as well. One ant cannot move a potato chip but, he can go back to the colony, get help, and er'body can eat good that evening... LOL!!!
Blessnz ya'll,
800 The Jewell
Ayo / gotta agree diss wuz a fun conversation to read / but I've had tha same conversation on like 5 other websites where all of tha outcomes always end up tha same (people just partially agree w/ each other until you mistakenly believe everyone agrees.. Lol) / so i been juss watchin tha snowball roll... But i do gotta add / and (partially, lol) agree dat takin an 8 bar loop and thrown drumz really isnt the most creative thing you can do... BUT, i think tha funnest part of a loop is matchin tha key it was played, and addin/smashin on some of your own composition to go on top... Now i hate when producers try and tha notes are offkey as hell, one of my biggest pet peevez / but no1 seemed to mention tha skill of composing on top of a loop... And granted an 8-bar loop w/ drumz isnt hardest (and actually prolly tha easiest) skill as far as beat makin / but on some occasions you gotta look passed how hard it was to make but as to how phat tha song came out.. Cuz we could argue for days what part is more hip-hop than tha other but at tha end of tha day its all about one thing, a song. And as far as im concerned / the resulting song is what im worried about, not how difficult tha beat was to make... Now if you dont agree go back to some of tha most popular songz in time and tell me I'm wrong. I wont even name any, im sure you can find some on your own...
Now im not sayin dat i 8 bar loop it / i think I've done that like twice of tha 20 samplez I flipped / I'd way rather one-shot it into a new melody, flip 2-4 loops from tha same song and combine um into a new melody, or take tha 8-bar loop and use that as a base to throw my own composition on top of it... Its always fun to thrown ya own composition, mute tha sample, and still hear a phat ass beat.. Haha...
So can i get a "CO SIGN!"?!?! Lmao / naw / you aint gotta agree / but atleast agree w/ it dont matter what it took, what program made it, which mpc layed tha drums, how many instruments you played, what samples you flipped / ALL THAT MATTERS, is how tha final SONG soundz..
Ya dig?!?!?!
PEACE!!
-Dyzzy / JClass / Dyalekt!!!
why doesn't my homie Courtney Akill get brought up in these producers ish topics?? To me, thats the first dude, who I thought was bringing heat, way back in the late 90's, when he was working with Bumpy Chill, or maybe Noel Zancanella, dude makes some hot beats for Dent, and Stro from the Pro's, he's a Co. Springs head, and Mic Coats, he's nasty on th beats. I like this topic yall, thought I'd shout out some beatheads, that maybe some don't know, who maybe some they should know about.
I heard some beats from Manifest, dope, Sol P is a incredible producer, even Vajra has been making some dope beats. Distrakt is sick, cause he still workd from a SP1200, and thats a hard machine to use, the sample time, is so short and u have to study that machine, but Large Pro used that machine, and thats a classic sounding hip-hop machine. I agree with Mane, the analog sound is the true hip-hop flava, Reel2Reel, rewinding it back and punching in, sick shit..Scratch G, was a dope producer in his time, and even DJ Fame from Duece Mob has some dope heat, Big rob has some shit too, the O.G. EastSide Homie Lettloose, has beats too, always been a fan of 800 heat, I like the beats Flawless did for Dent, their are alot of producers reppin hard I think in this city, with some dope talent..keep it commin, this a good topic, good discussion, nice change up from the hate..
Peace yall, I love this Game!
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Denver, Koloradope
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ya'll gonna make me cry and shit!
I thought SP used to be called Manifest? I thought they were the same person but he just changed his name...
I don't like to use samples from other peoples tracks generally, I prefer to create all my tracks from scratch.
Occasionally, I have a little fun, I just laid down a rap version of Nine Inch Nails track "Only" from the LP "With Teeth". It was not a "sample flip", I creatively took the track from it's original form to a slightly remixed hip hop version, while KEEPING the subject matter intact. I love it if you can turn it out in that style, not like taking a Police track and completely changing the meaning of the song. ("Every Breath You Take" stolen by that guy who actually thinks he can rhyme, but actually just doesn't realize that "there's more to life than just being really really good looking" [see Zoolander])
If you can take a sample, chop it all up and do some crazy stuff with it, without actually sounding like the song it came from, then hell yes.
By the way, while we're on the subject of arguing whether sampling is acceptable or not, can we talk about abortion and which god is the one true god, too?
Next subject:
I love how someone can tell the world how confident they are about their product, and then turn around and defend it when someone cracks an insult. This is the first obvious tip off to hidden insecurity.
I am confident that my tracks are dope, I get compliments all the time, and when someone disses, I laugh and ignore because the fact of the matter is, my tracks are solid and hella original, I know it, my fans know it, and I don't really give two f*cks if anyone else does. So, if your product is so damn hot, let the haters hate, and just do what you do.
Joe T, 800, I'm not a fan, but y'all are doin' it, and that's all that matters, don't let all the "anonymous" haters bring you down to their level of random "interweb" insulting, hell, if you ever make it big you're gonna get hated on a million times worse, ESPECIALLY on the internet.
Now go listen to my track "Undead and Famous" in one of Q's earlier blogs and think about that message.
Lastly, I hope I see and possibly meet some of you at my show this Friday night at the Gothic Theatre, hell, if you're 21+ I'll hook you up with a comp ticket if you hit me up on myspace, and, if you like any sort of rock music, Elete (industrial rock band founded and fronted by me) is playing 3 Kings Tavern on Sunday, let's do some Jager shots.
-Roman Only 333
myspace.com/romanonly
@ Roman Only....
whats with the 3 Kings show.
That sounds interesting.
Whats cover and all...?
@ FOE....we should hit that up homie....ya know, on some "Rok Star" shit....!!!
As a producer...besides Aaron I didn't see any sampling producers comment so...I had to. I started training formally on drums and sax went onto keyboards and moved on to sampling. Where I'm at now I use all mediums cause if you close your mind...you're only limiting yourself. Some keyboard sounds are crucial to certain songs and some are played out. I've heard them all. As for sampling I think that the sample distinguishes itself as a loop sample or a chop sample from the time it's heard..but that may just be me. Some things just click too well not to loop. Some sounds just cry to be chopped and toned out...some just scream to be chopped the fuck up and sprayed across the canvas. All is open territory to me...live instrumentation is probably the ultimate form of expression, but in the northside nobody was starting a band, I know that much. We were all looking for drum machines and samplers...keep diggin'!
ISo
LMAO
ISO!!!!
Nutty!!!
I am part sample producer and I commented above Iso. Look up and read it. Thats dope you play the sax and keyboard too by the way...
Mane u know I'm wit it dog!! What's good wit the 3 Kings? Where is it?
3 Kings is on Broadway...just north of Alameda.
OH SHIT>>>>>>>>Just realized I can't make it. Got this this Sunday...
EVERYBODY EATS!!
@ Herbs Hideout
WITH BBQ SERVED THRU THE NIGHT!!
Ft. DJ Funktion-2006 Colo. DMC 2nd Place. Doing a special set creating live beats with 2 Turntables and...
The Diamond Boiz-Come see what the hype is about. The stage show is solid folks...seen it this last Sat.
Diverge & Ethix Ft. Chronic Representatives.
& The CrunkL.I.F.E Allstars!
@ Roman Only...let us know when the next show is with your band, I'd be down to peep.
manifest and SP are two different people
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Just ON another subject
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at twist and shout 2508 Colfax Ave
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6pm-8pm dj Awhat and Dj Discord
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This is only the beginnning for me at Twist and Shout.
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I thot sp and manifest were the same person 2.
a milli remixes!! The Pirate Signal track is dope but that is the MOST played out beat to rock a mixtape track to right now.
If SP is manifest he prob changed it bcuz he burned all of his bridges wit that name had to. SP sucks jus like his attitude!! There is a reason why everyone u end up fucking wit ends up wit a fuck SP attitude...shit even the lil followers OnPoint who used to hold SP's nuts r saying fuck SP! There has to b reasons to all of this...how come no one can work wit u? I hear its bcuz ur bipolar...is that true?I know ur jus gonna b on here talkin stuff like ur big n bad...but dont forget some of us know ur resume n knows ur not hard, gangsta, tuff, or intimidating...u think they stopped making pistols after yours? UR WEAK!!!! Hopefully u never run into anyone real b4 they test ur gangster punk!! I've never met anyone so tuff on the Internet yet so soft n person...n oh yea we've met n person chump!! And dont worry about the anonymous thing I'm closer to u then u think!!! Jus look around!!!
wack shit all around
I check in on this thing from time to time. I support Q and what he's doing for Colorado HipHop. I think it's dope he gave everyone a medium to stay in communication and showcase your music. If nobody else is going to listen, then you have to stand up and make them notice. And that's what Q was doing with this site. It got to the point I was coming back daily and checking it out, seeing what was going on in CO and keep in touch. I lived in Colorado from 90 until '03 when I moved out to LA. So it's good to see people still grinding out there doing their thing. I constantly have thought about ways to include Colorado based people in the things I got going on. Including sending Q the Soul Assassins remix contest that I conceived and directed with DJ Muggs. I have a lot more in the works for the future too.
But this site quickly went south for me though, bickering and fighting. Calling out peoples music, not even creatively like on some destroy to re-build kind of stuff. Just blatant hating and hiding behind the internet. It just turned me off, and today I had a minute so I wanted to come over and see what was going on and it seems like more of the same. Keep doing you, make music, haters will always be there.
If you don't support one another, then nobody else will
Oh and if you want to reach out to me or got anything you wanna say hit me up personally. I'm always up to discuss what's going on back home..
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